On Saturday's edition of Ring of Fire Radio with Bobby Kennedy and Mike Papantonio, there was a reality check from Brooke Allen, author of Moral Minority: Our Skeptical Founding Fathers It can played by going to www.ringoffireradio.com/video/Ring%20of%20Fire%20-%20Jan%206th%202007%20Show%20Hour%202%20Brook%20Allen%20Ken%20Suggs.mp3. It is a good look at the way our founding founders saw how religion should be treated, or at least why they made a separation of church and state in the constitution.